Despite being nowhere near the first body of its kind, South Africa's TRC quickly became the most famous and visible - and a model for many countries that have created commissions of their own. In the process, South Africa's truth commissioners have become de facto spokespeople for the field of transitional justice. Shortly before our visit, Mary Burton had been in Indonesia, discussing that country's plans and making suggestions for the structure. Right from the start, she acknowledged that not every country coming out of violence should have a truth commission. From there, the conversation moved in a number of different directions, as she generously accommodated us with a full group discussion and a formal interview.